[00:00:10] Ray Latif: Hello, friends, and thanks for tuning into Taste Radio, the number one podcast for anyone building a business in food Mulo Beverages. I'm Ray Latif, the editor and producer of Taste Radio, and I'm with my co-hosts John Craven, Melissa Traverse, and Mike Schneider. In this episode, we revisit Southern California's premier CPG competition, unpack the acquisition of a leading ANA beverage brand, and explore Hot Meals kit companies and a product scanning app are impacting consumer purchasing decisions. Well, three of us have spent quite a bit of time in California over the past week. Melissa, I apologize for your inability to make it out to the Golden State, but it seems like you had a nice week yourself.
[00:01:00] Melissa Traverse: I sure did. I've been holding down the fort in the Boston area.
[00:01:05] Ray Latif: Thank you for doing that. There you go. There you go. So the three people, of course, who were in California last week were Mike John and myself and there for various reasons Mike was on vacation for a little bit Palm Springs, baby Palm Springs and John and I were I learned how to relax for a day I were in San Diego for Naturally San Diego Diego's Naturally San Diego pitch competition This is their sixth or it was their sixth annual competition. I was lucky enough to host the competition It's my fourth time and John ray There's no such thing as luck. That's pure skill. You did a great job again. I mean, I've seen some of the videos. I appreciate it. Yeah. Sorry I missed that. It's really fun. I mean, I'm telling you, it's all about the community there. There were probably 300 to 400 people at the event and I mean, I was really impressed with the amount of passion and love, really, for brands in the space and the founders who've created them. I think folks in the audience, John, you were there, and certainly once we got going, it was extremely loud in that room. For me, the five brands I presented were all really spectacular, and I thought all the pitches were great. There was a winner, obviously, and that winner was Fave. Oh, nice. Fave, founded by Ryan Raish. Fave is the maker of... Well, drink powders. Drink powders. It's The Line Kool-Aid, man. It's better for you, drink powders. There's no functional benefit to it. No. But it's like, imagine Kool-Aid or Crystal Light.
[00:02:30] Melissa Traverse: It tastes awesome. Exactly. I mean, he mentioned Kool-Aid as a bit of the inspiration for sure, so yeah, I think, you know, it's interesting, like it was, you know, five brands that were kind of all over the CPG map. You had a shampoo bar, a sunscreen brand, gummies, You obviously had Fave and a Mezcal RTD. And I don't know, you know, maybe I'm biased, but Bever just seemed to do pretty well in their things. Partially because I think there's an easy story to tell about a high velocity brand and whatnot that You know, for something like a sunscreen brand is totally, it's just a totally different business, not better or worse. But yeah, it was fun.
[00:03:12] Ray Latif: Yeah. I mean, my guess is that most of the folks in the audience and most of the folks that are involved with NSD represent food Mulo Beverages brands. So sometimes I think it might be a little bit more difficult to get yourself in the mindset that say a sunscreen brand or a shampoo brand might be The Line Not break out. Cause you don't know, you're not necessarily part of that industry or category. That John said make a drinkable sunscreen or shampoo. That's not what he said. We've had drinkable sunscreen Yeah in case you've forgotten did not forget that was that was something but yeah congratulations to Sun mud fave oku Mulo Beverages and flora flora once again, they all did fantastic and obviously special congratulations to Ryan from fave and A huge thanks to the team at NSD. Renee Solaris, who is the executive director, just does such a fantastic job. She and her team were just on top of everything and really made sure that the event was memorable and useful and exciting for everyone. So congrats on that as well. a good warm-up for the next big competition for you? I think it might be. I think it might be. You know, The Line Beverage Showdown is my bread and butter, I would say, and it's one of my favorite things to do throughout the year. Of course, The Line Beverage Showdown, the next edition that is, will be happening at BevNET Live, New York City, 2026. That's happening on June 10th and 11th. I, for one, cannot wait. And it's going to be here before anyone knows it. I mean, today is May 1st, and guess what? It's a month and a half away, which is crazy. But still plenty of time to apply.
[00:04:55] Melissa Traverse: Not really. Not a lot of time to apply for The Line Beverage Showdown.
[00:05:00] John Craven: Ray, how many New Beverage Showdowns have you emceed at this point, do you think?
[00:05:05] Ray Latif: Well, my first one was in 2013. It was The Line York City edition of DevNet Live. And so this would be, let's see in their's two a year. I can do the math. Is it 25, 26?
[00:05:18] Melissa Traverse: Minus the COVID ones, plus the COVID virtual ones. Do those count? Yeah, of course they count. I think they're sitting on the edge of their seats.
[00:05:26] Ray Latif: How do you keep it so so fresh and exciting every time there you go hmm I think it's the contestants that do it and Ray Ray's just like He's the perfect person to set someone up. He comes up on stage. Yeah, he does this very professional You know introduction, and then you know he makes people feel cool supported brings them up on stage, they do their pitch, brings them off the stage, you know, brings the next one up. It just, it just feels cool to see the whole thing happen. And to also talk to people afterwards about how, how professional it is, I guess.
[00:06:03] Melissa Traverse: I think it's the freshly pressed Yuko Boss blazer. Yeah. Never lets them down.
[00:06:08] Ray Latif: You know, shout out to my dry cleaners who are good people and always make sure that I'm looking
[00:06:14] John Craven: Start shop for every event.
[00:06:17] Melissa Traverse: Yeah, you forgot to pack that I think you would go up there be like Superman without escape
[00:06:22] Ray Latif: Yeah, and a nice warm up to BevNET Live, of course, is our Taste Radio Meetup in Austin, which is happening on May 7th. I am thrilled for this event. 5 to 7.30 p.m. at the headquarters of NutriBullet, the maker of C4 and major investor in Bloom. This is an event you really don't want to miss if you are based in the Austin area or anywhere near Austin or if you're visiting the Austin area. Just head to Taste Radio slash meetups to register. We'd love for you to register so we can know how many sandwiches to bring, how many bottles of water that we'll have to have at the event. I was talking to Jake DeCicco at the beverage forum about the Taste Radio meetup in the Nutribullet headquarters. He says that place is phenomenal. I can't wait. I'm so excited. Once again, thank you so much to Nutribolt for hosting us in Austin. And of course, thank you so much to our event partners, Vibrant Ingredients, Belay Solutions, The Angel Group, Corner Market Communications, and Next Foods. I imagine that we're going to see a few non-alcoholic beverages or founders that have started non-alcoholic beverage brands. And I'm specifically talking about adult non-alcoholic, which is a category that, you know, I think we can call it relatively booming. I mean, it's just one of those. spaces that seem to be of interest among retailers, consumers, distributors, everybody wants a piece of this space. And it's because, you know, people are moderating their alcohol consumption. People are looking at this opportunity to create brands that are going to resonate with younger consumers, because as we know, younger consumers aren't drinking as much and I think it's pretty obvious that the proof is in the pudding when we look at the acquisition that happened earlier this week when St. Agristus, the maker of Phony Negroni, was acquired by The Line Group for an undisclosed sum. St. Agristus is a Brooklyn-based maker of non-alcoholic beverages. Their Phony Negroni, and we've talked about these on the show, are just phenomenal. When you think about Negroni, there's a very specific flavor that you expect, that you want, and to create a non-alcoholic version that is without compromise, or for me at least, without compromise, is the real special thing that Santa Cruz has done. You know, there are other brands that have gotten kind of close, but Lapos, absolutely, for sure. But when it comes to the standard, right, if the standard in this space, Santa Grecia's is that. And so, you know, while it wasn't surprising to see that The Line group, you know, decided to make this acquisition, I think it's a little surprising. I think it's telling that there is a lot of strategic interest in this space and that this will not be the last acquisition in ANA that we see. I wouldn't be surprised if we see another one of these at least in the next 12 to 18 months.
[00:09:09] Melissa Traverse: Yeah, no, and I was going to say a little bit surprising in that, you know, it is, as the name suggests, The Line group, The Line group, which has brands like Franzia and Mayomi and Woodbridge and it's interesting to see them hop into like an N.A. cocktail brand. You know, I think that is something that should be kind of exciting that it's not just one of the usual suspects picking this up. I think more acquirers is never a bad thing. And, you know, certainly I don't know, this feels like the biggest brand in that set, at least modern set that, you know, is getting picked up. So, I mean, that's pretty darn cool.
[00:09:50] Ray Latif: Well, that is the thing that's interesting about it is that The Line group are the ones picking it up and they know everything there's to know about marketing, distribution, selling of wine. But what do they know about this? Please don't mess it up, guys. Please don't mess it up. We love the Phony Negroni.
[00:10:07] John Craven: You know, I think Sanagristas is a great example of a beverage brand who uses glass to be perceived as a more premium, higher end product. I know it's... Mission accomplished. Yeah. Yeah. They really did such a nice job with that.
[00:10:21] Ray Latif: They do. And I mean, Not So take anything away from some of the others that, and I mentioned Lapos and I'll mention it again. I mean, like I put those two as, you know, my top two non-elk Negronis and now Lapos also has their Negroni water and they're, they're experimenting with other kinds of cocktails as well. And it's cool to see that there are so many that are so close and that someone like a Ray could say, wow, I, I'm okay with having this versus a Negroni. Like, I know you love Negronis, so. Well, it's cool to see how far the industry has come and, you know, at the beverage farm I was talking to Monica Cornisher from Modase and, you know, it's cool to see her take her liquid and say, hey, this is mild fashion. Open it up and the nose hits you and you're like, oh, that's alcohol. And people just can't believe it when they're drinking this. We're getting so, so close to even the burn. I'm sure it's coming. Yeah, well, congratulations to the team at St. Agristus. They are going to maintain production in Brooklyn, but I feel like, as you mentioned, Mike, I really hope that the quality and the standard that they have established remains the same because what they make is fantastic. Indeed.
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[00:12:15] Ray Latif: I do like a non-alcoholic cocktail every so often. And for dinner, you know, pre-dinners is always the best time to have a cocktail. And lately, I feel like I have just not had a lot of time to make dinner. I don't know. I've been busier than ever lately. It's been really tough.
[00:12:30] John Craven: You guys have been traveling.
[00:12:32] Ray Latif: Yeah, maybe that's what it is. I've just been on the road so much. You need a hug? No, no, no. Thank you. Did it seem like I needed a hug? Yeah, sorry about that.
[00:12:39] Melissa Traverse: Listener, give him a hug. He needs an extra bottle of hand sanitizer.
[00:12:43] Ray Latif: I used to think that meal kit companies like Blue Apron would make my life a little bit easier. And I had a Blue Apron account for a number of months, I guess. And it feels like the whole point of these meal kits was really to make life easier and make people's dinners a lot simpler. And I don't know, I just, I think that it hung around for a minute and then it just seems like there's less and less interest because Because why I don't know why I mean, maybe it's just because it doesn't make my life easier Well, so why did you cancel your subscription? Well, honestly, it was the food wasn't that good Yeah, I mean I feel like the food wasn't as flavorful, as delicious as I could just make on my own without all the packaging.
[00:13:26] Melissa Traverse: Frozen Trader Joe's stuff? I don't really eat that stuff so much. Come on, you're like a Trader Joe's super fan boy.
[00:13:31] Ray Latif: Well, the Trader Joe's ravioli is pretty good. They're frozen ravioli. There you go.
[00:13:34] John Craven: They're Belgian chocolates.
[00:13:36] Ray Latif: Yeah, but maybe that's the reason. Not frozen though.
[00:13:38] John Craven: True, true, true.
[00:13:39] Ray Latif: But maybe there are just easier options like frozen meals from Trader Joe's that people find as a more reasonable and higher value option than meal kits. And there's no subscription either.
[00:13:50] Melissa Traverse: I mean, it just seems like one of those things that's kind of in the middle. You know, certainly there's, as those meal companies have been around in that era of those, like, things like DoorDash and GrubHub and UberEats have, like, gotten super good at, like, really, I mean, they're like, I don't know, especially UberEats, I feel like such a ubiquitous brand in, like, out-of-home advertising. You know, that's just trying to sell you on like convenience. Right. And then on the flip side, I think there's other companies that have done a really good job marketing to like the home cook. You know, I don't know. I think of all the, like, you know, made in hex clad, all that stuff where like, you know, if you're really into cooking, like you're kind of not, no offense to those box subscriptions, kind of not really like cooking. You're like assembling and following instructions really precise, which is kind of the, at least for me, the worst part about cooking. For people who love Legos. So I don't know.
[00:14:44] John Craven: We just covered in Nosh that Fresh Realm filed for bankruptcy. They also offloaded Blue Apron, which, you know, you just talked about, Ray. And certainly you're not the only one who isn't that interested in meal kits anymore. The subscriptions for meal kits are declining. But what I thought was really interesting is that there are some other options that seem to be having an increase in sales. Kroger, for example, they have a ready-to-eat option. I think they also have meal kits as well. And then Hello Fresh has a ready-to-eat meal program called Factor. And then Tempo is actually Kroger's ready-to-eat program. And both of those focus on high protein, keto, special diets, that kind of thing. So there are different ways to reach those consumers. But it seems like consumers aren't really that interested in cooking their own food with maybe subpar ingredients. So you have to spend all the time that you would have to cook. And oftentimes the quality of the ingredients aren't that great. And having a subscription is kind of annoying.
[00:15:47] Melissa Traverse: And if you travel.
[00:15:48] John Craven: Yeah, exactly.
[00:15:49] Melissa Traverse: It's just not too much.
[00:15:50] John Craven: Yeah.
[00:15:51] Ray Latif: Yeah. And at the end of the day, the subscription part of, I think, MeWholeKits is something that holds me back and I think holds a lot of other consumers back. Because, you know, you might want to shop on your own terms and you want the kits to come in when you feel like you need them, as opposed to every single week or every single, you know, every couple of weeks. Think optionality in their is a big part of this and unfortunately I think the optionality and variety sometimes is lacking with these meal kits as well So perhaps that's a big reason behind it. I think you know the no sushi meal kit This goes back to exactly what you were talking about John which is that The advent of food delivery programs or food delivery companies like an Uber Eats or a DoorDash or a Grubhub has made it that much easier and more convenient to get the kind of food that you actually want without having to cook it yourself.
[00:16:42] Melissa Traverse: Or plan in advance. I think that's the other thing with it. It's like, they're kind of designed for people who are like not super great at planning, but it requires planning, you know? Yeah, it really does.
[00:16:53] John Craven: You also have the Hungry Roots of the World. So they help you with meal planning, recipe planning. They also have a bunch of ready to eat options. That's also another option for folks who want efficient meals, but don't necessarily want a subscription to them.
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[00:18:04] Ray Latif: You know what, in my whole life, yes, I do shop at Trader Joe's pretty often, but in my whole life, I've never been at an Aldi. I've never shopped at an Aldi. Have you been there?
[00:18:12] John Craven: No, yeah. No. I feel like I didn't find that much.
[00:18:14] Ray Latif: Grandma D'Angelo loved Aldi so much. I always heard that Aldi is great for, I'm just going to call it what it is, like cheap food, right?
[00:18:22] John Craven: I'm loyal to Market Basket.
[00:18:24] Ray Latif: It's like off-brands and, I mean, they're Aldi brands. Do they have a pretty good frozen selection there? Yeah. They do? Uh-huh. Okay. All right. Well, anyway, in the news this week, Aldi decided that they were going to eliminate 44 ingredients from its private label line, which I thought was pretty interesting. Good on you. Seems like there's a lot of retailers moving in that direction. I don't know. I mean, I never really thought of Aldi as being like a better for you retailer, but maybe they're kind of moving that direction. You should give it a try, right? You should just go check it out because it is an experience and it's a very different experience, but going with an open mind and, you know, tell yourself you're going to spend like a hundred bucks at least and see what you come away with. I would want to know what I'm eating and I would want to know exactly what's inside some of these products, you know, and do it in a really efficient way, which is related to a podcast that you recently published, Melissa.
[00:19:13] John Craven: Yeah, so at this past Expo West, I feel like I heard more and more people talking about the Yucca app. So that's an app that consumers use when they're grocery shopping and you can, you know, scan a product and it gives you a rating of whether it's good or bad. So I heard so many brands talking about their rating and how it's impacting their pitches at retailers and their retail velocity. So I did have Gabriella Sabag, WineGrad. So she runs the U.S. business for the app, and she joined the podcast to talk about how brands can, you know, fix a bad score. So if you scan your item in their and you're not doing that well, she kind of explains some of the things that brands are doing to fix those. She talked about how to be one of the suggested brands. So when a customer scans a product and it gets a bad score, then another item is suggested. So she talked a little bit about how to be one of those brands that are suggested. And I think she said something like 66% of the suggested brands actually get bought. So that's a big deal. And then also how their rating system works, of course, on the non-based podcast.
[00:20:23] Ray Latif: Interesting. Yeah, I I wasn't necessarily familiar with yoga before the podcast and so I feel like this is something I'm gonna use and I wonder if it'll Sort of direct me to brands that I haven't considered before or just are not aware of put it on one of those packaged slices of cake, right? Wait, what? Bring that up again. Yeah, I wonder what the yucca app thinks of a brand like Tofu To And this is a this is a brand that we featured on Elevator Talk a few months back very interesting brand John What is that it's like?
[00:20:54] Melissa Traverse: shelf stable Reminds me of that walking tamale brand package yes, but it's just like nuggets of tofu That are individually wrapped with inside said pouch.
[00:21:04] Ray Latif: Yeah, let me ask you a quick question before you bite into this Yes, do you think this is going to be a sweet or savory product? Well? I thought it was gonna be sweet, okay savory yeah I thought it was gonna be sweet when I first saw it and then when I got my hands on it I knew it was gonna be savory looks like barbecue. It's a soy BBQ on it so right, but I'd never seen the flavors at first I thought this was gonna be a sweet product, and I was like okay It's gonna be like a Mid-Day Squares exactly, but you know what it is like Mid-Day Squares except. It's like also It's very glazed vegan turkey because it has the sauce that you want in their, and it it tastes like a pocket hotpot I Taste like a pocket hotpot Have you had hotpot Oh hotpot? Yeah? Okay, I'm sorry saying in Chinese doesn't help you but Well, it was great having Caroline Day on Elevator Talk. I mentioned we featured Tofu To on an episode a few months back, and it's a really interesting concept. And I feel like the question that I had at the time and the question I still have right now is, who is this for? You know, a savory snack sounds great. Obviously, a higher protein snack sounds great, but not everyone loves tofu. And I think tofu in a package format like this, I don't know. You really want to be specific in terms of who your target consumer is. First is for people who love tofu. Okay. Second is for people who love savory tofu and these specific spice profiles and they want it on the go. I mean, even people who love hot pot can't eat hot pot every day. This gives you like a little bit of that taste on the go. And you get three of these for 120 calories, 12 grams of protein. And what do you think? What do you think of the texture?
[00:22:45] John Craven: You know, I feel like this is for people who want beef jerky without the actual meat or whatever. You know what I mean?
[00:22:51] Ray Latif: It does have a little beef jerky quality.
[00:22:53] John Craven: You want the protein. You want the satiation.
[00:22:56] Ray Latif: OK, well, I want to ask because this is really throwing me off. Next to the Tofu To wrapper looks like a vial of blood. What is that, Joan?
[00:23:05] Melissa Traverse: This is we we do mandatory drug testing I bring all the weird just unlike It's not looking good No, I don't I'm sorry meth net next week.
[00:23:18] Ray Latif: It's this elastin. Is that what that is yes?
[00:23:22] Melissa Traverse: And what is that? Again, I have no idea. It was on the table. I mean, I brought it. Does it help you stretch your muscles? I don't know.
[00:23:31] John Craven: It's for your skin. I mean, it's for your muscle flexibility or whatever.
[00:23:36] Ray Latif: You guys, it's collagen peptides. Okay, there we go. It's collagen. And so this is a topical?
[00:23:43] Melissa Traverse: I'm so scared.
[00:23:44] Ray Latif: Okay, so just to give our listeners some context here. Are you sure You're not drinking lotion or something it legitimately looks like a vial of blood you know when you go to the doctor and they collect blood But clearly it's a shot. You just take all you take it all at once yep. It's called elastin, okay I don't know where you got that from or if it was sent to us, or it was sent to us in a big box Okay, so we have many of these you have men we have men right now. I'm gonna have some if you want, okay Would you like to try now? No, I'm good is the colors the color red because it looks like It smells like it tastes good, okay Yeah, it does. It tastes like cherry. All right, that's good. Okay, good. All right, well... Cherry juice. Interesting. Okay, well, hopefully you were supposed to drink it. Okay. Moving on to more traditional beverages John's crushing some hover.
[00:24:32] Melissa Traverse: What is hover hover? It's a sparkling matcha drink Okay with the coconut water base. This one's a lemon yuzu Comes in this little can is that our Taste Radio in New York? Yeah?
[00:24:43] Ray Latif: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's pretty darn tasty Yeah, has a little sort of Pokemon anime vibes going on in terms of the packaging. Yeah nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, and then Melissa, you've got a can of something. You've got some powder. I was speaking about The Line York Meetup.
[00:24:59] John Craven: Yeah, exactly. So this is from The Line York Meetup. This is Anavana. There is a lovely founder named Amulya Paniam. I may be butchering that name, but she brought this product with her. It is a ground up lentil and spice blend. This reminded me a little bit of chutney punch.
[00:25:17] Ray Latif: Except that's food.
[00:25:18] John Craven: Exactly. Yeah.
[00:25:19] Ray Latif: That's not just spice. That's food in their.
[00:25:21] John Craven: Exactly. And it's high protein. So let's see here.
[00:25:24] Ray Latif: You're adding chickpeas.
[00:25:26] John Craven: Yeah. So it's got some protein in it and it's really tasty. Like it does add a little bit.
[00:25:29] Ray Latif: Not that spices aren't food, but that's food food.
[00:25:31] John Craven: Right, right, right. This is sort of an additional source of nutrients for whatever you're eating.
[00:25:36] Ray Latif: You could put chutney punch on that.
[00:25:40] John Craven: You can put them both and by the way you should you should use them all nice And then you've got what is this now you've got a cat can't see this I also grabbed a can of Nectar Pop from our fridge upstairs I didn't actually read the can that carefully before I started drinking it so I took a sip, and it's just it's delicious It's so tasty. This is the black cherry they use maple water which is always fun and It's 45 calories for a can, 9 grams of sugar, and super tasty. And then I started reading more, and they have probiotic cultures, and there's maple inulin. But really what got me was the flavor.
[00:26:17] Ray Latif: Yeah. Looks amazing, actually. I love tart cherry. It's really good. Sounds delicious. Yeah. Black cherry, more specifically, yeah?
[00:26:23] SPEAKER_??: Yep.
[00:26:23] Ray Latif: So this came a couple of weeks ago. It's a Baba's Saturday sauce. And it is a phenomenal shakshuka starter. We got it. And, you know, our sample captain Colin, he never tried shakshuka before. So I drove home, made some with the sauce, came back and now he's had it and he loved it. It was amazing. It's so easy to make shakshuka. It's easy to make shakshuka anyway. Everybody knows that. But now it's way easier.
[00:26:48] John Craven: How many shakshukas can you make with that jar?
[00:26:50] Ray Latif: I made six eggs worth of shakshuka.
[00:26:54] John Craven: Nice.
[00:26:54] Ray Latif: Okay. Saturday sauce. Nice. Good stuff. That brings us to the end of this episode of Taste Radio. Thank you so much for listening. Taste Radio is a production of BevNET.com Incorporated. Our audio engineer for Taste Radio is Joe Cracci. Our technical director is Joshua Pratt and our video editor is Ryan Galang. Our social marketing manager is Amanda Smerlinski and our designer is Amanda Huang. Just a reminder, if you like what you hear on Taste Radio, please share the podcast with friends and colleagues. And of course, we would love it if you could review us on the Apple Podcasts app or your listening platform of choice. Check us out on Instagram. Our handle is bevnettasteradio. As always, for questions, comments, ideas for future podcasts, please send us an email to ask at Taste Radio. On behalf of the entire Taste Radio team, thank you for listening, and we'll talk to you next time.
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